Angel "Java" Lopez en Blog

Publicado el 24 de Septiembre, 2016, 11:59

Ya comenté sobre el primer encuentro de Heisenberg con Niels Bohr en:

Bohr y Heisenberg, Primer Encuentro
Bohr según Pauli y Heisenberg

Luego de la conferencia de Bohr, Heisenberg plantea sus dudas sobre el estado de algunos problemas. Leo en la conferencia que dio en Trieste, en 1968 (mencionada en el libro de Abdus Salam, La unificación de las fuerzas fundamentales, que mencioné en P.A.M.Dirac, por Abdus Salam):

After two years of study, in the summer of 1922, Sommerfeld asked me whether I would be willing to follow him to a meeting at which Bohr would present his theory in Gottingen. These days in Gottingen we now always refer to as the "Bohrfestival". There for the first time I learned how a man like Bohr worked on problems of atomic physics. When Bohr had given two of his lectures I dared once in a discussion to utter some criticism; I just mentioned some doubts, whether the formulae of Kramers which he had written on the blackboard could be exact. I knew from our discussions in Munich that we always get formulae which are half exact, which are partly right and partly not right so I felt that it was never too certain. Bohr was very kind and in spite of the fact that I was a very young student, he asked me for a long walk on the Hainberg near Gottingen to discuss the problem.

Heisenberg apuntaba bien en sus dudas. Así comenzó a conocer a Bohr y su estilo:

I feel it was then that I felt I really learned what it means to work on an entirely new field in theoretical physics. The first, for me quite shocking experience was that Bohr had calculated nothing. He had just guessed his results. He knew the experimental situation in chemistry, he knew the valencies of the various atoms and he knew that his idea of the quantization of the orbits or rather his idea of the stability of the atom to be explained by the phenomenon of quantization, fitted somehow with the experimental situation in chemistry. On this basis he simply guessed what he then gave us as his results. I asked him whether he really believed that one could derive these results by means of calculations based on classical mechanics. He said "Well, I think that those classical pictures which I draw of the atoms are just as good as classical pictures can be" and he explained it in the following way. He said "we are now in a new field of physics, in which we know that the old concepts probably don't work. We see that they don't work, because otherwise atoms wouldn't be stable. On the other hand when we want to speak about atoms, we must use words and these words can only be taken from the old concepts, from the old language. Therefore we are in a hopeless dilemma, we are like sailors coming to a very far away country. They don't know the country and they see people whose language they have never heard, so they don't know how to communicate. Therefore, so far as the classical concepts work, that is, so far as we can speak about the motion of electrons, about their velocity, about their energy, etc., I think that my pictures are correct or at least I hope that they are correct, but nobody knows how far such a language goes".

Esto impresionó mucho a Heisenberg: estaban en un nuevo territorio de la física, y los conceptos clásicos tenían que ser revisados. El propio Heisenberg entonces no manejaba toda la física clásica, era joven, y todo esto influyó para que se animara a explorar nuevas formas de resolver los problemas planteados por Bohr y otros.

Nos leemos!

Angel "Java" Lopez

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